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Medical experts around the world have started speaking out about the public and political overreaction to COVID-19. In Britain, Peter Hitchens, Lord Sumption and Dr. John Lee, a professor of pathology and former NHS consultant pathologist, have joined their voices.

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My apologies in advance if you already have the following info, but thought I would share just in case they are of interest.

The video image on your news section re the Californian Doctors (23ABC news) posted on 24/04/20 has been deleted by youtube. However, it can be found on bitchute if this is of any use re the embedded video on your site which is currently blank
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bseVXywp7bIx/

Also, if you are looking to do a section on vaccines then the Robert Kennedy Junior website is extremely good.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/kennedy-news-views/

The documentary TrustWHO
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xOfHCQ1pJ9s7/

Vaxxed
https://www.bitchute.com/video/K7upxskYEU0e/

VaxxedII
https://www.bitchute.com/video/o8rp84H5NZFi/

This is a link to the very interesting read, the WHO 2019 publication on their recommendations for handling influenza type epidemics and pandemics:
https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/

Quite a few items are at complete odds to what out politicians are following or introducing an edit seems only very few countries (Sweden and Belarus) are even close to any relation to this document.

It is 91 pages of long-windedness but from what I can tell they say influenza and other viruses of this type cannot be stopped, nothing really has any effect of slowing them down and it’s best just to let people catch it and get over it or just deal with the aftermath.

Precise of the whole thing:

“The evidence base on the effectiveness of Non Pharmaceutical Interventions in community settings is limited, and the overall quality of evidence was very low for most interventions. There have been a number of high- quality randomized controlled trials (RCTs) demonstrating that personal protective measures such as hand hygiene and face masks have, at best, a small effect on influenza transmission.

Travel-related measures are unlikely to be successful in most locations because current screening tools such as thermal scanners cannot identify pre-symptomatic infections and afebrile infections, and travel restrictions and travel bans are likely to have prohibitive economic consequences.”

table 1 is very interesting as well, part of it says:

Not recommended in any circumstances:
Contact tracing
Quarantine of exposed individuals
Entry and exit screening
Border closure

Happy Reading.

2 quotes to leave you on:

by CS Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent busybodies.”

by Mahatma Ghandi: “Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.”

I’ve been putting questions on here, don’t expect them to ever be asked but i think we all need to keep pounding away at them:

https://www.gov.uk/ask

Be polite, include some facts or quotes then drop the bombshell. these are 2 I’ve asked so far but I think I’ll put some in about the links to Bill Gates, Neil Ferguson’s incompetence, growing links to EMFs/4G/5G and this type of illness and so on:

“More and more independent research (Stanford and UCLA, in Italy, France, USA et al) is showing Covid-19 is more prevalent in the general population than thought making fatality rate very low. Coupled with the findings that it has been around since Oct/Nov 2019, it is about the same morbidity as normal flu, it is now probably the end of the 2nd wave and it has been admitted that deaths have been recorded as Covid-19 to boost numbers making ti seem more deadly why continue with the charade of a lockdown then “new normal”?”

“In the World Health Organisation document from 2019 titled Non-pharmaceutical
public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza – ISBN 978-92-4-151683-9 it clearly states in a few places but most notably in table 1
Not recommended in any circumstances:
Contact tracing
Quarantine of exposed individuals
Border closure
Entry and exit screening Internal travel restrictions
If, as you claim, you are following WHO guidance why have you introduced or are planning to introduce some of these measures?”

This is the UK Government guidance on releasing coronavirus infectious persons out of hospital:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-for-stepdown-of-infection-control-precautions-within-hospitals-and-discharging-covid-19-patients-from-hospital-to-home-settings/guidance-for-stepdown-of-infection-control-precautions-and-discharging-covid-19-patients

Note the phrase: “patients can and should be discharged before resolution of symptoms provided they are deemed clinically fit for discharge”. This means they are to be sent to care homes, residential homes, family homes, anywhere but kept in hospital while still suffering from the infection/illness.

By any chance does this explain why the care homes were infected, some areas are worse than others for the infection and some families have had multiple deaths of multiple generations when some families haven’t?

Seems a deliberate scheme to infect as many people as possible corroborating what was said in this interview by the head of the Royal College of Nursing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPsvsXUNeY

I bet you know people suffering from some of these and spot the familiarities with certain illnesses going around more frequently since about 1850:

http://www.radiationdangers.com/microwave-sickness/

Also:
– read articles 9375, 10380, 10659, 7709, 7636 and 10107 on the State of the Nation website http://stateofthenation.co
– last year its as reported over and over how hospitals were installing 5G everywhere for all the tablets and ipads the staff are now using and how great it would be and how well it was working. Now staff are ill, patients and staff dying, unexplained illnesses in and around hospitals (and anywhere else 5G has been switched on, ask why Sweden and Japan have banned it – 2 countries with low(er) “coronavirus” rates)
– Research needs to be done on the increasing numbers of unexplained deaths occurring in the UK, Italy and Germany where perfectly healthy people go to sleep and are found dead in the morning and no cause found.

I will also try and find the link from a news report in Holland where the telecoms company is complaining about the 5G antennas being destroyed as “hospitals and care homes” need them as a matter of real importance. Again the link between 5G and places with high “coronavirus” levels.

Coincidence?: Diamond Cruises are rolling out latest 5G technology on their ships and on the Diamond Princess the problematical voyage was the first one with this new technology active.

Ask OFCOM why they effectively censor any anti-5G reports or comments on or in the MSM by threatening the presenters, show and production companies if they step out of line (Eamonn Holmes and David Icke recently)? I did and unsurprisingly no reply.

Here is the legislation that keeps being stated applies to the lockdown:

Coronavirus S.I.: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/contents/made – this is valid for 2 years in England, no mention of social distancing or other restrictions on groups from what I can see, only relates to individuals who are suspected of having coronavirus as it is described here – “Wuhan novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)” – so the common cold, influenza and all the other 200 or so illnesses that are part of the same “family” are not included and as there is no reliable test yet for this virus how can it be proved you have it, you cannot by symptoms alone? Interesting test cases coming up I think.

Public Health Act 1984:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/contents – I’m still reading through it but I cannot see where it mentions social distancing for groups and so on. In section 45 at various places a Justice of the Peace can impose restrictions on individuals and on individual premises but there is no blanket “everyone must follow regardless” type provisions I have seen yet except where something or someone is confirmed as being contaminated when they are part of a group. Calling the total population “a group” is pushing the boundaries a bit in my opinion. There are a lot of things that can only be done by orders of a Justice of the Peace and I have not seen one single notice posted at any shop or other location signed by a JP.

These 2 pieces of legislation effectively mean we are now living under a medical dictatorship, freedom is dead the way the scare tactics and cowing of the population are progressing.

From a few years ago I vaguely recall a few legal tidbits that I was told were relevant even today but had been largely forgotten but it will need a proper legal opinion about it and the S.I. and act above:

– statutory instruments are not the same as an act of Parliament, does not have the same legal standing as it has not been passed scrutinised by Parliament as such is not a “proper” law, only supplementary.
– a guideline does not need to be followed no matter who issues it, it is only an “opinion” and has no force of law. Is this why the the various retail industry bodies are busy coming up with guidelines their members are recommended to follow? Are the all part of the “new normal” plan?
– advice does not have to be followed, it is only an “opinion” and has no force of law
– best practice does not have to be followed, it is only an “opinion” and has no force of law

This is a link to the very interesting read, the WHO 2019 publication on their recommendations for handling influenza type epidemics and pandemics:
https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/

Quite a few items are at complete odds to what out politicians are following or introducing an edit seems only very few countries (Sweden and Belarus) are even close to any relation to this document.

It is 91 pages of long-windedness but from what I can tell they say influenza and other viruses of this type cannot be stopped, nothing really has any effect of slowing them down and it’s best just to let people catch it and get over it or just deal with the aftermath.

Precise of the whole thing:

“The evidence base on the effectiveness of Non Pharmaceutical Interventions in community settings is limited, and the overall quality of evidence was very low for most interventions. There have been a number of high- quality randomized controlled trials (RCTs) demonstrating that personal protective measures such as hand hygiene and face masks have, at best, a small effect on influenza transmission.

Travel-related measures are unlikely to be successful in most locations because current screening tools such as thermal scanners cannot identify pre-symptomatic infections and afebrile infections, and travel restrictions and travel bans are likely to have prohibitive economic consequences.”

table 1 is very interesting as well, part of it says:

Not recommended in any circumstances:
Contact tracing
Quarantine of exposed individuals
Entry and exit screening
Border closure

Happy Reading.

2 quotes to leave you on:

by CS Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent busybodies.”

by Mahatma Ghandi: “Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.”

This is the UK Government guidance on releasing coronavirus infectious persons out of hospital:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-for-stepdown-of-infection-control-precautions-within-hospitals-and-discharging-covid-19-patients-from-hospital-to-home-settings/guidance-for-stepdown-of-infection-control-precautions-and-discharging-covid-19-patients

Note the phrase: “patients can and should be discharged before resolution of symptoms provided they are deemed clinically fit for discharge”. This means they are to be sent to care homes, residential homes, family homes, anywhere but kept in hospital while still suffering from the infection/illness.

By any chance does this explain why the care homes were infected, some areas are worse than others for the infection and some families have had multiple deaths of multiple generations when some families haven’t?

Seems a deliberate scheme to infect as many people as possible corroborating what was said in this interview by the head of the Royal College of Nursing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPsvsXUNeY

Here are a good couple of videos showing the teleprompter reading air filled talking heads all working from the same script just like politicians do (will have to find that video of different politicians in different countries bring in the same draconian laws on smoking and green agendas using the same words, phrases etc) :

https://twitter.com/Iconoclast1982/status/1255780940401557505

https://www.bitchute.com/video/4nJdjNbWSVIB/

and a couple for good MSM articles in the Washington Times that would be nice to see in the UK:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/covid-19-turning-out-to-be-huge-hoax-perpetrated-b/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

But still at least we got this bit of honest reporting:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/nhs-southmead-hospital-furlough-coronavirus-4082655

Question:

Can someone tell me if coronavirus is as dangerous as to have the announcement on the 10th Feb, updated 25th Feb made per the Coronavirus 2020 SI:
Serious and imminent threat declaration
3.—(1) These Regulations apply where the Secretary of State declares, by notice published on http://www.gov.uk, that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health, and that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus is at such a point that the measures outlined in these Regulations may reasonably be considered as an effective means of preventing the further, significant transmission of Coronavirus (“serious and imminent threat declaration”).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-makes-new-regulations-on-coronavirus

Then surely the announcement about downgrading of Covid-19 on March 18th which says it is no longer a high consequence infectious disease which makes the lockdown illegal as it is no longer “serious and imminent threat” :

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

Any legal eagles out there can comment?

This is interesting, a link to MINDSPACE, the system that Government use to change the public’s opinions by nudging things along psychologically:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/mindspace

Seems innocent enough until you read what is meant, not what is said like the UN Agenda 21/2030/New Green Deal documents or Bill gate’s explanations of enforced vaccinations. Flowery innocent language on top, read what it means and not what it says and completely different and more insidious.

This is all pre planned, mis leading innocent people, killing the whistle blowers, the frontline workers are acting like zombies because they are asked to follow the guidelines. Pathetic killers

From what I can tell it is all very strange or I have all my dates wrong – please someone put me right.

What it says in the coronavirus Statutory Instrument which came into force on or about the 26th March 2020 is:

Serious and imminent threat declaration
3.—(1) These Regulations apply where the Secretary of State declares, by notice published on http://www.gov.uk, that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health, and that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus is at such a point that the measures outlined in these Regulations may reasonably be considered as an effective means of preventing the further, significant transmission of Coronavirus (“serious and imminent threat declaration”).
(2) The Secretary of State may revoke a serious and imminent threat declaration by way of a subsequent notice published on http://www.gov.uk.
(3) Before making a declaration under paragraph (1), or revoking a declaration under paragraph (2), the Secretary of State must have due regard to any advice from the Chief Medical Officer or one of the Deputy Chief Medical Officers of the Department of Health and Social Care.

The statement relating to the above was issued and posted on the gov.uk website but without fanfare or any notification given on 10th Feb 2020 and amended 25th Feb 2020 which is about 6 weeks prior to the quick draft emergency legislation being read in Parliament.:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-makes-new-regulations-on-coronavirus

Then surely the announcement about downgrading of Covid-19 on March 19th 2020 which says it is no longer a high consequence infectious disease which makes the Coronavirus Statutory Instrument unnecessary and therefore null and void illegal as it is no longer “serious and imminent threat” :

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

The forced imprisionment of the nation started on the 23rd March 2020 – prior to the commencement of the Statutory Instrument supposedly giving the Government the powers to lock us all up.

Why this order of things?
Why put the announcement on an obscure page of gov.uk without any fanfare etc and with nothing on the MSM sites?
Where is the guidance from Whitty, Vallance et al as reffered to in teh S.I.? At this time everyone in Government was saying it was all OK, no problems.

The only thing that amkes sense is it was all written, planned and prepared in advance, scientists/medics who make the HCID decision (politicians were not involved in this decision making apparently) were telling us something that they will not say out loud but due to the lowering of education standards to the lowest common denominator no-one inoticed that it was all done in the incorrect order.

To me it should have been:

– declare the disease high consequence
– introduce legislation
– issue the imminent threat notice
– introduce the population imprisionment
– downgrade the disease
– lift any restrictions

What we have here is:

– issue declaration of imminent threat
– downgrade the disease
– introduce the population imprisionment
– introduce legislation

Is it me or something stinking to high heaven?

This is my question to gov.uk/ask today:

Can you please explain why your actions took place in this order and dates as they make no logical sense and is either stupidity, incompetence, illegal or deliberate:

– issue declaration of imminent threat 10 Feb 2020
– downgrade the disease 19 March 2020
– introduce the population imprisonment 23 March 2020
– introduce legislation 26 March 2020

This is the letter I sent to my MP, not as professional as yours and I was asking about the discrepancies in how the legislation wa introduced:

Sir,

As you are my constituency MP I thought I would write to you with my concerns about the current situation and how it was implemented and forced on the population of England and I would like to see more challenges to the Government in the Houses of Parliament as what I observed this week was quite frankly embarrassing watching the fawning that was displayed and the complete and total lack of challenging and questioning of the people who are responsible for imprisoning us in our homes.

From what I can tell it is all very strange or I have all my dates wrong.

What it says in the coronavirus Statutory Instrument which came into force on or about the 26th March 2020 is:

Serious and imminent threat declaration
3.—(1) These Regulations apply where the Secretary of State declares, by notice published on http://www.gov.uk, that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health, and that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus is at such a point that the measures outlined in these Regulations may reasonably be considered as an effective means of preventing the further, significant transmission of Coronavirus (“serious and imminent threat declaration”).
(2) The Secretary of State may revoke a serious and imminent threat declaration by way of a subsequent notice published on http://www.gov.uk.
(3) Before making a declaration under paragraph (1), or revoking a declaration under paragraph (2), the Secretary of State must have due regard to any advice from the Chief Medical Officer or one of the Deputy Chief Medical Officers of the Department of Health and Social Care.

The statement relating to the above was issued and posted on the gov.uk website but without fanfare or any notification given on 10th Feb 2020 and amended 25th Feb 2020 which is about 6 weeks prior to the quick draft emergency legislation being read in Parliament.:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-makes-new-regulations-on-coronavirus

Then surely the announcement about downgrading of Covid-19 on March 19th 2020 which says it is no longer a high consequence infectious disease which makes the Coronavirus Statutory Instrument unnecessary and therefore null and void illegal as it is no longer “serious and imminent threat” :

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

The forced imprisonment of the nation started on the 23rd March 2020 – prior to the commencement of the Statutory Instrument supposedly giving the Government the powers to lock us all up.

Why this order of things?
Why put the announcement on an obscure page of gov.uk without any fanfare etc and with nothing on the MSM sites?
Where is the guidance from Whitty, Vallance et al as referred to in the S.I.? At this time everyone in Government was saying it was all OK, no problems.

The only thing that makes sense is it was all written planned and prepared in advance, scientists/medics who make the HCID decision (politicians were not involved in this decision making apparently) were telling us something that they will not say out loud but due to the lowering of education standards to the lowest common denominator no-one noticed that it was all done in the incorrect order.

To me it should have been:

– declare the disease high consequence
– introduce legislation
– issue the imminent threat notice
– introduce the population imprisonment
– downgrade the disease
– lift any restrictions

What we have here is:

– issue declaration of imminent threat
– downgrade the disease
– introduce the population imprisonment
– introduce legislation

Isn’t this the wrong order of implementing legislation legally?

Add in that as time goes on and more and more information and evidence is gathered that the Government’s various responses to this “unprecedented time”, which are compromised by monetary links leading back to Bill Gates, copies almost exactly what Bill Gates has previously stated he wants done, maximises the amount of people infected and deaths not reduces them not protects the general population, that death numbers from Covid-19 are being manipulated upwards by various means is it me or something wrong with this and why is no-one in the main stream media nor in Parliament challenging this?

Yours Sincerely

Just ran it myself; correlation .69 p<.001

On the European flu vaccine and Covid-19 mortality correlation, an academic expert told me 'That’s pretty striking; about 49% of the variance explained and quite a small sample – p in correlation is related to n. If there were any confounding factors that could be taken into account – there may be an alternative explanation for both phenomena – then it would be good to covariate them.'

In the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 it states in Section 20:

Stopping of work to prevent spread of disease

(1)With a view to preventing the spread of—
(a)a notifiable disease, or
(b)a disease to which subsection (1) of section 23 of the [1955 c. 16 (4 & 5 Eliz. 2).] Food and Drugs Act 1955 applies,the proper officer of the local authority for any district may by notice in writing request any person to discontinue Ms work.
(2)The local authority shall compensate a person who has suffered any loss in complying with a request under this section, and section 57(2), (3) and (4) below shall apply to any dispute arising under this subsection.

Let’s all put an invoice in to our local authority.

Or has anyone received notification in writing from the proper officer to discontinue work?

Or as the order was issued by central government and not the proper officer of the local authority does this mean it is invalid? It certainly explains why we keep getting “guidance” and not edicts as “guidance is advice only and does not have to be followed.

Went out today and what a depressing experience.

British bulldog spirit? Perfidious Albion?

No, just a lot of scared, cowed, unthinking sheeple who are that scared of death they have given up on living. No questioning of Government, no independent research into things, ye gods it was depressing.

Ours is now such a risk-adverse, over-sissified HSE driven, dumbed down society this could happen very easily in a matter of weeks and that is what scares me most: how easily the world economy was destroyed, how millions of people in China “disappeared” without explanation and which has been documented in the UK and the USA on a lesser scale, how hundreds of millions of people will be in permanent poverty, untold dead from starvation, murder, self-isolation mental problems etc to supposedly give a few thousand already seriously ill people an extra few months of life.

Only 1 person spoke to me and that was when we had a laugh about a shop displaying a “cash only” sign as their card machine was broken. Very few going in, we agreed it was because they believed touching cash would cause the flesh to melt off their hands. He agreed it was all a crock as well so only ones with any balls are unbelievers.

The mini-hitlers in hi-vis bossing people around outside garden centres and pet shops we went to soon when quiet when I explained to them there was no scientific or legal reason to adhere to and follow the 2m social distancing so why were they doing it? Orders was the answer. The Nuremberg Principle says this is not a valid defence. They looked sheepish and let me in with lots of aghast looks by others in the queue.

But while waiting outside a shop as I had no interest in going into super drug with the wife I realised why the government push self-isolation and not official isolation.

If you self-isolate it is voluntary, no-one forced you or made you do it.

To enforce isolation as by the Public Health (Control of disease) Act 1984 and the Statutory Instrument Coronavirus Act (which it isn’t) 2020 they have to:

– get a doctor to think you as an individual may be infected with either “coronavirus disease” which means COVID-19 or “coronavirus” means severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) as is stated in the above S.I.
– they then have to perform a test to confirm it but as is known there is no reliable test for these “illnesses” that can be performed to say without a doubt you are infected
– then they have to get a proper person of the local authority to issue a notice saying you are infected
– a Justice of the peace then has to sign the notice
– the notice then has to be served on you as an individual
– they then must take you to a hospital or other place until you get better
– if you miss work etc then the local authority must compensate you

Much, much easier to get you to self-isolate isn’t it?

God this website is bloody brilliant – well done! What a great resource. Thank you thank you thank you. There’s also lots of stuff to learn in the comments section!

I’ll do my best to help promote the data and good news however, I will be labeled a conspiracy theorist.

IMO, CoVid has been turned into a Political weapon and distortion of the Data is the media’s chief interest.

Don’t worry about it, I’ve been called the same for years over vaccines, EMFs etc.

Doesn’t ever get boring being proved right though.

In the words of Mahatma Ghandi – the truth is still the truth even if you are a minority of one.

Truth Passes Through Three Stages: First, It Is Ridiculed. Second, It Is Violently Opposed. Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IifgAvXU3ts&t=1s

Here is an excellent video featuring Kary Mullis discusing PCR and HIV, featuring Fuc… I mean Fauci, very relevant to covid. In my research I have heard from 3rd parties and read excerpts of Dr. Mullis saying he didn’t believe PCR was appropriate for identifying a virus, but here in this video you hear it directly from his mouth. Thank you for putting together this content, I was thinking of putting together one of my own, and I still will, however I will send many people your way. Thank you my sibling, Peace!

Can anyone point me towards anywhere in Kent or nearby where I can go on a sneaky, covert holiday? I can keep schtum! Alternatively, anyone with a camper van or similar conveyance want a non-socially distancing companion?
Here’s Hoping,
Fran ; -)

I was interested in reading the research paper ‘Masks Don’t Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy’, but the link does not work and it takes you to a different page. Do you know if it has been moved or removed? It would be a bit worrying if it had been removed because of censorship. I hope this has not been the case.

Comments are filtered for spam. Yours is the first negative comment this site has received. Congratulations! If you have any solid evidence that goes against the information here, feel free to post it. Thanks!

https://youtu.be/66YHufbx8Fo

It’s ok though it’s only “seasonal flu” in March/April/May and when Flu season and Coronavirus are around in the winter I’m sure all the specialists will have the same opinion…. hmmm

I like the way that the real cases from real people were just removed from the site. The truth is that you don’t like it when you see with your own eyes that this is something different that doesn’t fit your own agenda. The site of people being criticaly ill and dying doesn’t fit your idealogy of what this virus is so we won’t show the man who can’t breathe or the people attached to machines because it causes “fear”. No it shows what’s really going on here and not the rubbish being spouted by people with a real political agenda. You accuse the masses of being sheep but the reality is that you have an idealogy of what you want people to follow and will bang that drum just as hard as the mainstream media. Yet again I expect this comment to be deleted as you don’t like that free speech and free thinking is also against your own propoganda. Congratulations on being part of the problem just like the mainstream.

Clearly you haven’t spent much time reading the information on this site.

No-one is disputing the fact that people die. We know that the elderly and those with serious underlying conditions are at great risk from COVID-19. In fact, this has been known all along and those at most risk were not protected. Instead, a general lockdown was put in place which is causing more death and suffering than the virus itself.

There are treatments available but you cannot save everybody. Some people die horribly and it’s very sad. That’s called life. We are mortal and bad things happen.

Thank you for a real response. I did read the information that you have provided which is why I posted the above rant. It all seems very one sided and until your post above I couldn’t see a single thing that acknowledged the reality of what’s happening. I’m sure if someone that was related to you had contracted it and was one of those who’s suffered your thinking might be different. I also am not too sure why so many people who dispute it aren’t volunteers to contract it and have a social experiment to see what happens then. I mean if your 100% sure you would be fine and not have any negative effects then you would have nothing to lose right?

You are very welcome.

We are purposely presenting one side of the argument. The other side of the argument is already very well represented by the mainstream media and government briefings. They don’t need any help. You can think of it like a court room. Lawyers are not obligated to present both sides of the argument. Instead, they present the evidence they feel best supports their case in order to convince the judge and the jury. This is basically what we’re doing with this site.

We are not 100% sure we’d be fine if we contract COVID-19. No-one can say they’d be OK and maintain any credibility. There could be serious negative effects, even for healthy people. This is why many of us have been taking immunity vitamins (C, D, Zinc, etc.), exercising and trying to stay healthy.

However, it is clear at this point that most people will be fine. Even Chris Whitty, said exactly this in a Downing Street press briefing in May:

  • Most people will never get it.
  • Most of the people who get it won’t ever experience symptoms.
  • Most of the people who experience symptoms won’t need medical care.
  • Most of the people who need medical care won’t be need emergency or critical care.
  • And even the tiny percentage of people who need who DO need critical care will survive, regardless of risk factors or medical history.

There are many people who have suffered from this virus and it is terrible for all those involved. The emotions are completely understandable. However, personal emotions don’t change the facts. We should not enact policies based on personal emotions because that could lead to very serious mistakes. This is what we’re seeing with this whole terrible fiasco. Much more needless pain and suffering has been caused.

Those analysing the stats for the anti lockdown position have said that the ‘curve’ for death tolls from COVID was already going down before lockdowns (globally?) were put in place.

Does this mean: the virus was by that time infecting more people & therefore killing less people, or was the virus somehow ‘weakening’ in potency at that point? Does a virus weaken in potency over time as more people become infected (is this ‘herd immunity’)? I’m not sure if I understand how a death toll curve goes downward without intervention.

Couldn’t the case be made that even though the curve was heading downward before lockdown, that lockdown sped the curve downward quicker? How to prove one way or other?

The analysts we’ve reviewed seem to agree that the lockdown did nothing to affect the peak of infections and deaths. It just spread the numbers over a longer period of time. For example, see this interview with Professor Michael Levitt.

Dr John Lee Lockdown says the lockdown will cause people to get nastier versions of the virus. This means there are different strains and if they are allowed to get the weaker strain and recover, they’ll improve their immunity to the stronger strain.

Professor Karol Sikora says the data shows us that the virus is ‘getting tired‘ and this is happening across the world. This points to the virus weakening over time as the population becomes immune.

Mathematician Andrew Mather does a good job of explaining what the curves mean and how they progressed in different countries.

Professor Isaac Ben-Israel and Professor Yoram Lass agree has similar ‘lifespans’ regardless of measures taken (lockdown or no lockdown). Coronavirus epidemics last between 4 to 10 weeks in each location as it circles the globe. As of early June 2020, actual data from different countries with COVID-19 outbreaks have borne this out.

Thanks for the links. And for setting up this site. Just a few questions.

I still don’t feel 100% confident of everything I read here. Of course, the site is well sourced and researched etc.

It’s just that the medical experts etc for the anti-lockdown are relatively few compared to the pro lockdown, consensus view on all things COVID. Why so few experts with your position on COVID? Also how can an average person know that your stats/graphs are not curated to suit your position?

How can I know the claims your chosen experts make, are correct? (from everything re: masks don’t work, social distancing is questionable, that the virus will just pass without intervention etc.) To take one example: I’m sure there are many peer reviewed articles claiming opposite views about the effectiveness or ineffectivess of masks etc,

And if your site’s view is correct & was understood by WHO etc, a few months back, why was the Lockdown position so fiercely promoted by them & majority of experts? (I don’t buy the conspiracy theories about ‘power elites and Bill Gate’s conspiracy for global control’. maybe I”m naive? Not that i’m a fan of global elites either).

The main driver for LD as I remember a few months ago, seemed to be COVID’s rapid spread & fear of overwhelming hospitals. Wasn’t that a legitimate fear early on?

Why would WHO promote lockdown knowing the long term consequences if they didn’t think it was needed? You claim the data shows lockdown wasn’t the reason for flattening curve of death tolls etc. If you’re right, I doubt that there’ll be any mea culpa about that from governments who put it in place. Especially LD countries like NZ, Australia where death tolls were low. (I still can’t quite believe that these 2 countries didn’t benefit from their shorter lockdowns & closing borders but I’m questioning it.)

Was the LD position a timing issue? Things were happening fast and the virus was rapidly spreading? etc.. or just incompetence?

I find it overwhelming going from MSM to your site. It’s like living in parallel universes. I can’t work out if you’re conspiracy theorists with great production values 😅 or the truth tellers everyone needs to listen to. I’m hoping that in time (a couple of years or a decade from now) there will be a sober factual investigation and book/s, docos – and your position will be vindicated.(or not?)

Despite my skepticism, I appreciate the site. I’ll be asking a ton more questions (sorry in advance 😅)

Your concerns are understandable as it can be very difficult to believe who is telling the truth. My own personal approach is to look at several things:

  1. How closely does the information match with the real world?
  2. Are there any obvious contradictions in a particular point-of-view?
  3. What do people stand to gain by promoting that point-of-view?

It is not for us to tell you what to think. You will have to decide for yourself if our position is true. What I can say is that our position from the beginning of this crisis has not changed: COVID-19 is not as deadly as the initial hype and the lockdowns will cause more harm.

Three months on, the real-world experience has aligned with our message. Even the mainstream media is starting to point out what we were saying with regard to non-COVID-19 deaths, damage to the economy, and mortality rate statistics. We have been consistent whereas the mainstream narrative has flip-flopped throughout. You only need to trawl through our resources archives to confirm this.

It is probably unhelpful in this discussion to speculate on why governments, WHO and mainstream media are promoting the lockdown. However, there is an obvious and huge monetary incentive for large organisations (whether public bodies or corporatations) to promote lockdown. You do not need to be a ‘conspiracy theorist’ to believe this. Even the mainstream media is reporting on it. For example: American billionaires have gotten $280 billion richer since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic

On the other hand, many of those speaking out against the hysteria and lockdowns have nothing to gain. Notable experts in their fields, such at Prof. Wittkowski, Prof. Bhakdi and Prof. Cahill, have been publicly smeared. Their reputations and careers have suffered because they went against the prevailing narrative.

For our part, we have no financial incentive. You see no advertising here. There is not even a plea for donations yet we have born all the costs for developing, hosting and maintaining this site. We aren’t selling anything and there isn’t even any chance of temporary fame since we’ve not revealed our names. I personally have spent the majority of my time over the past few months collating this information and responding to questions such as yours. I’m a freelancer and I’ve had to redirect time that would have earned me money. I will see no financial return for this effort.

With all of this in mind, you can judge for yourself who to believe.

What do you make of the sudden rise in COVID death tolls in Iraq in June? I saw some stats on worldemeters site.
Has COVID arrived there later than other countries?

What do you make of the reports from some doctors in Italy, that the virus is ‘weakening’. ?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ

I find this confusing because medical information I read say viruses don’t die.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/do-viruses-die/

In any case the claim the virus is weakening is being disputed:
https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/do-viruses-die/

By ‘weakening’ do they mean that the virus is achieving ‘herd immunity’?

Thanks. I’ll look at the links.
Re herd immunity: On the site I’m reading that LD delays herd immunity, and when people come out of LD they’ll end up being infected anyway. But I’m also reading that whatever policy was taken, there will be no second wave. eg. Italy did LD but now it seems they are getting to immunity anyway – so no second wave? Did LD help or not help with achieving immunity in Italy? Would immunity have been achieved quicker without LD etc.? But would more pple have died before achieving immunity without LD?

The general message we’re getting from medical experts we’ve reviewed is that:

  • The lockdowns have slowed down the process of achieving herd immunity in all areas they’ve been implemented.
  • Herd immunity would have been achieved quicker without lockdown (several experts have said that we are just ‘delaying the inevitable’).
  • We should have protected our vulnerable people at risk from COVID-19 by putting all our resources on them.

What we’re seeing is a classic misallocation of resources. All our efforts and resources were put towards locking down the entire population but the vulnerable people were still left unprotected.

I want to make this point clear: everything we’re seeing as of mid-June indicates that the lockdown has killed more people than COVID-19.

wow. the bullet points on the interview on this site with delores cahill by james delingpole are spot on.

the best point by point refutation of every transparently phony “fake news” argument in favor of rona hysteria/lockdown/nonsense.

to anyone with half a brain all this was obvious from the beginning.

sadly the masses are so incapable of any kind of sanity these days…its clearly no longer a case of left v right conservative v liberal etc etc etc.

but the sane verus the insane. who said it? hopkins maybe (cj) or someone else that people become the product of the propaganda they absorb.

i have been saddened to see so many once credible sources fall to mantra chanting of the corona will kill us all give up everything stay masked and anonymous.

the only 3 that im aware of published alternative voices all the way thru rejecting the corona narrative (same as the previous russiagate, terrorist threat, communist scare narratives) were:

cj hopkins (satarist/playwright)
tp wilkinson (poet/philosopher)

and my old friend israel shamir (for whom i wrote the backcover notes to one of his books).

dmitri orlov came around once he crunched the numbers.

im thrilled to find this new (to me) source of counter hysteria info. (came here via “inproportion2” (another great resource).

i should also mention peter hitchens lonely battle to resist the hysteria via twitter.

its amazing to me still how the majority of even alternative site posters are full in on the official narrative.

anyway: “dog will bark but the caravan passes by”.

they can only keep this up so long because there’s just nothing left to be hysterical about.

appreciate the affirmative alternative info here.

well good thing the bullet points are there. i see the video itself has been removed for violating youtubes terms of service ie. telling you something the masters of discourse dont want you to know.

does anyone know if it has been salvaged somewhere else and is still available (they often are)–id love to be able to hear the actual interview.

I work for a company that mostly sells to China and the international diaspora of Chinese people. Due to that, I have been tracking this virus since early January.

I seen the issues with the elderly and infirm way back then.

I recall the 2m rule being reported as because of the UK Government not believing the population would respond to 1m. I agree generally with this, one metre is a handshake.

I knew the immediate response would have to be protect care homes because I seen Italy and Spain, and knew that shielding some people would matter.

When I said the lockdown would be seen as a mistake I was accused of having a libertarian sulk from a friend I respected. He’s silent now.

This policy is a total disgrace. And it will take years to recover. Shameful.

What kind of website is this?

Just submitted a suggestion about a freely available book on COVID-19 and 10 minutes later found it was deleted ??

The comment was in no way offensive and purely added to provide readers with additional information.

And yet, deleted. What is the point of inviting genuine suggestions if they are deleted?

Will this now be deleted?

You talk about not having fear and then delete suggestions !!

Sorry, your comment was not deleted but was held in the moderation queue.

Comments are moderated and manually approved by a human to filter out spam. We are unfortunately unable to watch the comments 24/7 as we also have day jobs and families. Sometimes it can take a few hours or even the next day for a comment to appear.

Note to readers
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The software used to predicted high levels is criticed for being full of bugs and not tested and the lock down was based on its inaccurate prediction. OK this may be true but that would also imply that other countries had poor prediction software, so did Germany, France Spain and most other countries have poor software? Maybe the predictions where not the best but overall gave a good indication of what may happen; the same as other countries.
The graph showing that countries with lockdown had more case is misleading in itself. Sweden, no lockdown has had similar cases to to those that did. Other countries that would not give true values of case, Russia and China should not be included. South Korea, Tiawan and Vietname had excellent track and trace due to there experience of SARS. Iceland is a very small island country where social distancing would be mush easier to work and no high level of urban living which clearly happen in countries like the UK, Spain, France etc.
Finally, the increase of 50,000 or so death over the average is made to be not siginificant. (Only 500,000 people die a year in the UK so only a 10% increase) There as two type of people, those that are selfish (it won’t happen to me) and those that care about humanitiy and every death is important to someone. We dont want our nanny to die becuase we love them. Or do we and only interested in our inheritance!!

Sincere and HUGE thanks to all associated with this impressive initiative called “Evidence, Not Fear”. Your articles are full to the brim with good, reliable truths, how many sites can claim that ? Honestly, it is so encouraging. If ever it were desired to insist on an article, or post, or letter or video – whatever – being a mandatory read, then “Evidence, Not Fear” would be such an obvious “First past the post”. So, I start with – Congratulations !

IMNSHO, the most fertile field : listeners, viewers, targets if you prefer, is surely our own younger generation – typically those who have recently been so unfairly deprived of their education by Trotskyite teachers and union leaders. It is (an easy) mistake to think of the young as being bored, uninterested, unreliable, not involved in current affairs, that is defo not the case, it is ignorant behaviour. My own experience, as a doddery old bloke, has been they have an innate sense of courtesy, for starters. No sign of patronising, but they are alert, with an eye to what is happening (I refer to London). These, mostly, very intelligent, openly honest people (and, let us not forget, old enough to fight in the defence of their country) can and must be one of the most reliable of people groups today. I firmly believe “Young People Matter”. To avoid doubt, I mean all of them.

To those who persist in reading “viewspapers” (Thanks Douglas Murray), I say just cast your own mind back to your earlier days. I believe, don’t know for sure, most of you would have been more concerned with the future, with Truth, with ideas, idealism if you like, than with the hedonism alleged and implied so often by the Meeja. Of course, while admitting nothing, I can say that pleasure was not exactly filed under “pending” when I was in my early tender adult years, nor was that the case with my friends and acquaintances. OK, maybe some of us could be off-beam a bit, but I do remember common threads of decency were not hard to find, even if they were not exactly brandished as trophies.

So, may I respectfully suggest a little “widening” the scope to take into account more directly the future leaders of this benighted country, our young people must surely be cut from better cloth than the present near-useless lot ?

Hi again.
How to explain the logistics of targeted quarantining as a solution to those who still believe total lock down was the only way :
eg. I can see how this could be achieved in aged care homes, or even eldery folks living in their own homes.
But what about those with co-morbidities & the aged who live with people who aren’t at risk. When the not at risk move around freely they could get infected & then transmit to those with co morbidities living in the house etc.
I get this line of questioning from pro lockdowners. Would love to explain a better solution to total lockdown. But I can’t explain how to successfully protect at risk people living at home with others who could spread to them.

HI again.
Mandatory Mask wearing is increasing globally this month. The view by Professor Denis Rancourt & others is that masks are too porous to prevent the microscopic size virus particles in aerosol droplets from penetrating.

I’m getting push back to that view eg: “They may have thought that in April. Larger droplets are now generally thought to be the main vector, the significance of aerosols is the subject of ongoing research. Also larger droplets can evaporate to aerosol size, but would get caught before being able to do so.” Are there medical articles validating this revised view?

We’re being told that ‘the science has changed’ with regard to mask wearing. Apparently, new studies have come out proving that masks work. These studies range from examining how the virus may disperse in the air or testing the presence of the virus in mask-wearing subjects.

A good example is a new University of Oxford study released by The Royal Society and The British Academy. The press release says, “face masks and coverings work – act now.” This study is being pushed by The Mayor of London and Independent Sage as strong evidence we should all be wearing masks in public. However, what do you find when you read the study itself? It doesn’t show anything of the sort. See our overview here which links the document.

When you read the research on masks, you’ll find several themes emerge:

  1. The studies nearly all reference limited research conducted in medical and lab settings.
  2. Large-scale research into everyday public environments is difficult to conduct.
  3. Masks may have an effect when used with other factors such as personal hygiene.
  4. Adherence (whether people use them properly or at all) is a big problem during the research. People just don’t like wearing them.
  5. Evidence for the masks on their own is weak.

Nearly every study I’ve read highlights the last point 5 as a limitation of the authors conclusions.

So what does this tell us? If someone claims that new studies show masks work, you can know this is objectively not true. Masks may or may not have an effect under certain environments. This is why official guidance always uses language similar to, “no direct evidence” or “evidence is weak.” They have to say this otherwise the authors will be liable, perhaps legally, for misinforming the reader.

The next argument you’ll encounter is in this form:

“Research might be weak but there is some evidence. Why not wear one anyway? The cost is low and there are potential benefits. If it could save just one life…”

This presupposes that:

  1. The cost is low.
  2. There are no adverse side-effects, either personally or to society as a whole.

Neither of these factors have been proven. When the benefits are slight and the costs are unknown, wearing a mask is therefore nothing more than superstition.

There is no compelling reason to wear a mask when going out in public. Personally, I prefer to act on reason rather than superstition.

You can find a list of articles related to face masks here.

Please watch how the public health officers are taking away a poor child under suspision of having covid.
The hospital where the child is being taken has stated that this is thier current procedure:
https://www.alterinfo.net/Regardez-l-horreur-qu-ils-font-vivre-a-nos-enfants-video_a156615.html

Editor’s note:
This video will be difficult to watch, especially if you are a parent. Is anyone able to verify this video and translate what is being said? Thank you.

Thanks for the detailed reply and the reference to the Oxford Study. A tweeter who is pro mask, responded to my post about how masks can’t prevent the microscopic particles from penetrating. He tweeted me this WHO document :

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/transmission-of-sars-cov-2-implications-for-infection-prevention-precautions

See the ‘Modes of Transmission’ bit. Haven’t read through it yet but you might be interested in dissecting it.

People often get lost in the details and forget the bigger picture. On a society-level, how a virus spreads or how many people are infected isn’t the primary issue. The first concern is if large numbers of people get sick enough to overwhelm the health system or if a disproportionate number of people die from the virus.

We have data and analysis from most countries to show:

  1. COVID-19 is harmless to most people.
  2. Healthcare systems were not overwhelmed specifically due to the virus. Strain on the healthcare systems of certain countries were due to the response the the virus. (For example, see resources for Italy and New York.)
  3. Death numbers, though tragic, haven’t been very different from other bad flu seasons.
  4. The demographic who are vulnerable is well-known, can be protected and effective treatments are available.

If the virus itself isn’t a huge problem, discussion about masks and modes of transmission is superfluous. The details may be interesting to those in niche fields but it would normally be of no concern to most.

I’ve seen many of these types of studies and discussions. They are all very interesting for experts who are hyper-specialised in their fields. I think lots of people normally hidden away are having their time in the limelight. Specialists can have all sorts of discussions about particle size, speed and movement in the air of different densities and so on. But so what?

None of it actually means anything outside of those niche specialties if:

  1. most people don’t get sick;
  2. the vast majority of those who do get sick only experience cold and flu-like symptoms.

The above isn’t disputed even by the most panicky news outlet.

People, especially scientists, often ‘fail to see the wood for the trees’ when studying their interests. That doesn’t mean the discussion translates into anything meaningful when looking at the bigger picture.

For me, this settles the whole thing. Huge sections of the population aren’t getting sick and dropping like flies due to COVID-19, even in the worst affected regions. There shouldn’t even be any discussion about enforcing masks.

If this isn’t satisfying enough, you might be interested in an article by Denis Rancourt, PhD. His original paper was ‘mysteriously removed’ from researchgate.net but he’s since been able to release his points elsewhere. See the article outline, Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy .

Here is the important point regarding masks and aerosol mechanism of infectious disease transmission:

“All of this to say that: if anything gets through (and it always does, irrespective of the mask), then you are going to be infected. Masks cannot possibly work. It is not surprising, therefore, that no bias-free study has ever found a benefit from wearing a mask or respirator in this application.”

In other words, no mask is 100% effective and filtering out the virii. The minimal infective dose (MID), or the amount that will get you sick, is bound to escape from the mask into the atmosphere anyway.

Thanks..
Sadly, most people will not be convinced or bother reading anything that interferes with their view due to being pummelled with the repeated ‘masks work’ messaging.
I’m still not sure where I stand on it but I’m disturbed that it’s become law in many places -especially as things at least in some countries seem to be improving death toll wise. No-one seems to be reporting about that.

Hi again.
Looking at the July COVID situation in Texas. Deaths are declining now but peaked this month so: over 1000 deaths in July. (4200 deaths overall).
While data is showing global deaths declining:
https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-covid-19-updates-texas-covid-19-death-rate-declining/285-edffc65c-2c14-4d9a-82e7-bcca8925a234
What do you make of the over 1000 July Texas death toll? It’s hard to convince people not to worry about COVID when there’s a peak like this, despite the overall global stats showing COVID deaths in decline.
I’m in Australia. In the state of Victoria there is a case outbreak since the beginning of July.(The state is in a new 6wk lockdown) So far 484 cases. About 10 deaths (pple mainly in their 90s). I’m trying to convince people not to panic-given the low death toll to date.
Yet if they look at the Texas death rate, they’ll say, even if the stats show global declining deaths-that doesn’t mean anything as eg. it spiked in Texas now & killed a large number of people.
If I posit that some of the death count is misattributed to COVID, I can’t really prove it so that won’t convince people. I could compare that flu death toll inTexas -10,020 from Sept 2018-Sept 2019 – to COVID death toll this year. But pple will say 2020 isn’t over yet & anything could happen etc. Also pple are saying that since this spike happened in USA summer, the ‘winter seasonal virus peak & fall’ theory is wrong.
(Do you know if it was spread in care homes & Covid infected elderly sent back to die in the homes as happened elsewhere)
I’d appreciate your take on Texas, as Australia has gone into full hysterical mode over the new cases here. I’d like to understand Texas to give some perspective on the current Australian cases.
Thanks. I appreciate you answering my persistent questions, as I don’t always find answers to specific things in my online searches.

I don’t think you’re going to get anywhere trying to convince people like this by explaining the numbers. The reason is that numbers are unreliable due to testing and reporting issues. I’m not sure about Australia but in the UK, it is already mainstream news that:

  • Test results are inaccurate so there’s no way to know a person actually died with COVID-19.
  • In many cases, hospitals haven’t even bothered testing and just assumed COVID-19.
  • People are being tagged as died of the disease even when they actually died of something else.
  • The method of recording death dates means numbers have been inflated, creating artificial peaks.
  • The official figures have been inflated due to many discrepancies.

See articles related to statistical errors here.

I know whistleblowers in the US have been saying similar things so wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same in Australia.

On the topic of cases, again, this is a meaningless statistic. If testing is inaccurate, then the ‘case’ is suspect. Further, one ‘case’ may actually be the same person tested over a period of time. So it’s a waste of time to argue over case numbers.

If we don’t know the true situation about the numbers in Texas, there’s really no use in trying to justify one position or the other. I’m therefore not going to dig into Texas deaths specifically. (However, I’ll update this comment if I find articles that give a good explanation.)

There are so many regions in the world that in the end, people like this are going to find some sort of spike somewhere that justifies their position. This is a real disease and people die. There’s no way of getting around that. The question is, what is the underlying cause and how many people are really dying of it?

Sorry I’m not trying to brush off your question about Texas. The thing is we just don’t know and honestly, I don’t think we’re ever going to find the truth because the numbers all around the world have been so messed up. Therefore if you want to discuss with people, I would get to the key facts which is right on the homepage of this site and they haven’t changed for months.

I also want to add that the public (British public but probably world-wide too) been actively subjected to a campaign of fear and psychological behavioural modification. This does sound crazy but we have officially released documents that admit this.

See the article, How SAGE and the UK media created fear in the British public.

What does this mean for us?

  1. Many people have become so afraid they’re no longer thinking rationally. Facts and figures aren’t going to help.
  2. We can’t believe what the media is telling us without question.

Thanks again for explaining. I’ve read about test inaccuracy & misattribution of deaths to COVID etc. The problem is most people won’t accept these explanations unless more media outlets they trust, or whistleblowers in large numbers, start writing about it in a headline feature. Otherwise it doesn’t get taken seriously.

One of my misgivings about not totally accepting that COVID’s danger has been over-exaggerated – not withstanding the millions dead projection was wrong – is that when it started in China, it was reported that the virus spread was rapid, & health staff were getting high viral load & dying, which isn’t usual. I’ve read this about health staff in UK & US (Off-Guardian says there’s no evidence for this but when I bring it up on social media, health workers say that staff have died & this didn’t happen before COVID).

I’m watching what happens in Australia. There’s a few reported deaths each day. Too early to say how it will go. Mainly very elderly, some between 50-70 years old. & there’s no info about if they were at-risk anyway.
Thanks again.

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Sir,

Have been following the debate around lockdown, masks and other silly ‘mitigations’.

My thinking goes like this:

Bojo is a clown, he has no credibility as someone who can make responsible choices. The media, led by social media whip up people in to a hysteria about this mysterious virus from China. Meanwhile Bojo tells people to wash hands whilst singing happy birthday, and looks to the world like an irresponsible fool. Government scientists with lamentable communication skills tell everyone that everything is OK. The people panic. The Govt are forced to do ‘something’ to show they are being responsible and are masters of the situation; hence Lockdown.

Only thing is, within days of lockdown coming in it is obvious from hospital admissions stats that the virus has already started to slow down and within a week or so it has plateaued completely.

{Lockdown announced evening of 23rd March, lockdown not implemented until the next day, 24th. On average – the health authorities were telling us – it takes 5 days for a person to develop symptoms. SAGE notes from the SGOD to Simon Dolan’s case mention average time from feeling unwell to hospital admission is 4 days. Hence the graph of hospital admin should have continued to show increases in admissions for a number of days, and the main effect from lockdown should not have been begun to be noticed in hospital admissions until the beginning of April, whereas in fact it had already plateaued by April 1st.}

This means, as a result of the emergence of herd immunity, the virus was already in decline some time before lockdown was imposed. I believe that this is something that SAGE are aware of but the problem was and is that Bojo has no credibility. So Bojo can’t just turn up on TV at the end of March and say, “actually lockdown was a waste of time everything is OK! Herd immunity achieved, jolly good off to work with you!” No one would believe him and Bojo would be voted out at the next election.

Therefore they had to create a way in which Bojo the clown could become PM Boris, the statesman. The solution was to pretend that he was deathly ill with Covid 19. BTW I know people who really did almost die from Covid 19. They spent months in hospital and are now at home needing months of rehab. Bojo may have been poorly sick but there is not the slightest chance that he almost died.

However the plan has failed. He made a bumbling fool of himself and at this point he still has no credibility and so he is almost always out of the public eye.

The mitigators, such as masks, social distancing, the Trace and Track stuff etc is a matter of making the disappearance of Covid 19 plausible without resorting to the truth: Herd Immunity did the trick. It did not require the imposition of laws which have to date caused the unnecessary deaths of more than 45,000 people in the UK.

If I am correct, of course, I could be wrong…the issue now is that what we basically have is the murder of tens of thousands of UK citizens, sacrificed so that Bojo and The Science will save face. Is this not an act of treason against the British Public? Shouldn’t those responsible stand trial for what they have done?

Regards,

Marc

Im a little surprised that this statement was included:

COVID-19 can be deadly for older and vulnerable people so it’s important to protect them. This will help eliminate hospital overcrowding.

Since we know there is no evidence of Covid-19 then how can it be deadly to older people or anyone?

It’s our understanding that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that is purported to cause the COVID-19 disease, has not yet proven to exist according to Koch’s postulates. However, it is also our understanding that there are some limitations with applying Koch’s postulates to viruses.

Nevertheless there does seem to be evidence of a COVID-19 disease. It appears to be different from other known severe acute respiratory infection (SARI) and influenza-like illness (ILI). For example, unlike flu, COVID-19 isn’t dangerous to or spread by children. Doctors have also found different treatments that are successful for COVID-19.

It remains to be seen whether COVID-19 itself is caused by a new virus, an old virus that the medical community hadn’t noticed up to now, or something else entirely.

On your SAGE article on behavioral control methods, I only wish to make the very quick statement that I cant wait until they roll out using the NERVTAG group more, after claiming they’ve no intention of any microchipping or neural type shenanigans, which even Boris freely admitted in his 16 minute Prometheus speech. I mean really NERVTAG as an acronynm? Could they be more blatant covertly? LOL Please lets arrest them all, as they are supposed to be our servants for christ sakes.

Hi – Thanks for all your hard work. Is there a way I can print off the key issues, discussion and primary evidence, as in an info sheet (double-sided?) to leave in key places around town??

The huge question is – what next? Is there a proper exit strategy?
If so, what is it? It’s no good saying ‘we need a vaccine’. if we do, and many doctors have thrown scorn on the idea, but if we go along this route it must be one that is properly tested, over years, with every possible side effect identified and removed.
Meanwhile having closed everything down, frightened the populace out of its wits and proclaimed that this is the only way how do you get out of it? Who is going to decide?
I have great respect for the medical profession and its commitment to saving life. But that appears to be its only commitment. What about our mental health in all of this? What about our jobs, our economy? What about those of us in the ‘danger zone’ who have put all our effort into building something to pass on to our families? Do we want to put those years of working, saving, building, making in jeopardy because of a possible danger from an unknown virus which is certainly sweeping through the world but not destroying it. We’re doing the destroying.
Is that what we want?
Let us all take care. Let us all keep clean, wash our hands, protect ourselves.Let’s not crowd each other or push or shove or fill our cupboards with goods we won’t need on a ‘just in case’ basis. But closing down the village shop, the local playgroup, the church, the cafe around the corner without thinking of what they might mean to ordinary everyday people who have to stay sane throughout this
curfew we are under could be a mistake. There is an old fashioned expression, ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water’. Is that what we’re doing?

Thanks for this site, it has been an rare island of sanity in all this.

Here in the U.S. the scaremongering has been mostly relentless, but today a couple of articles published by the New York Times are actually giving me hope that the data, evidence and science are finally starting to win out:

What if ‘herd immunity’ is closer than scientists thought?
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/08/17/herd-immunity

Scientists see signs of lasting immunity to COVID-19, even after mild infections
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/08/17/scientists-see-signs-of-lasting-immunity-to-covid-19-even-after-mild-infections

The first one mentions Sunetra Gupta, (theoretical epidemiologist at Oxford) and mathematician Gabriela Gomes, whom up until now I’ve only seen at COVID-skeptic places like here and Co-immunity on YouTube. The story has this key point:

> The initial calculations for the herd immunity threshold assumed that each community member had the same susceptibility to the virus and mixed randomly with everyone else in the community.
> “That doesn’t happen in real life,” said Dr. Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health. “Herd immunity could vary from group to group, and subpopulation to subpopulation,” and even by postal codes, he said.

The story also has a fair amount of push-back to what people like Gupta and Gomes are saying, but at least their voices are finally being allowed to be heard.

The second story has:

> Scientists who have been monitoring immune responses to the virus are now starting to see encouraging signs of strong, lasting immunity, even in people who developed only mild symptoms of COVID-19, a flurry of new studies suggests.

And then it talks about T-cells, and how the immune response to COVID19 is similar to what is seen with other viruses. Turns out it’s not a magical-unique virus that will kill us all.

Reporting a spelling error. On the home page you have:

“Children have more chance of being struck by lightning that dying of COVID-19.”

Should be “than.” It would be even better written as:

“Children have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than dying of COVID-19.”

A question. About a month ago, there was an article (I think by an American) suggesting a huge mathematical error made in the construction of modelling, and never corrected, causing death projections to be out by orders of magnitude. Can any else remember this article and please provide a link, or a name? thanks PC

The epidemiology is clear: income inequality creates risks of mortality and morbidity. The evidence is collected in ‘The Spirit Level’ book and the supporting website of The Equality Trust.

Accordingly, we need an economic plan that creates a socially-determined level of sustainable income equality.

Over twenty-five years, we have heard every voice in that regard and have, as part of The Fair World Project, been active for the living plan for Co-operative Socialism.

That plan is to be found in the papers’ section at http://www.interestfreemoney.org

Fellow co-operators and I are happy to be involved in Question and Discussion meetings on this living plan for Co-operative Socialism.

And, thus, for good health, happiness and longevity for all.