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You’ve saved me days of work compiling and collating sources. I’ve already read dozens of RCTs, responses, analyses, and even the op eds of the centralized authorities. That’s in addition to hundreds of hours spent watching the videos put out by the government and dozens of respected doctors and scientists. Now I have you.

It’s long been clear that I need to speak up to help my friends and family. Your resources are invaluable, and will hopefully save lives. If nothing else, we must try to break the cycles of fearmongering and hate that now dominate our friends and family.

The epidemiology is clear: income inequality creates risks of mortality and morbidity. The evidence is collected in ‘The Spirit Level’ book and the supporting website of The Equality Trust.

Accordingly, we need an economic plan that creates a socially-determined level of sustainable income equality.

Over twenty-five years, we have heard every voice in that regard and have, as part of The Fair World Project, been active for the living plan for Co-operative Socialism.

That plan is to be found in the papers’ section at http://www.interestfreemoney.org

Fellow co-operators and I are happy to be involved in Question and Discussion meetings on this living plan for Co-operative Socialism.

And, thus, for good health, happiness and longevity for all.

The huge question is – what next? Is there a proper exit strategy?
If so, what is it? It’s no good saying ‘we need a vaccine’. if we do, and many doctors have thrown scorn on the idea, but if we go along this route it must be one that is properly tested, over years, with every possible side effect identified and removed.
Meanwhile having closed everything down, frightened the populace out of its wits and proclaimed that this is the only way how do you get out of it? Who is going to decide?
I have great respect for the medical profession and its commitment to saving life. But that appears to be its only commitment. What about our mental health in all of this? What about our jobs, our economy? What about those of us in the ‘danger zone’ who have put all our effort into building something to pass on to our families? Do we want to put those years of working, saving, building, making in jeopardy because of a possible danger from an unknown virus which is certainly sweeping through the world but not destroying it. We’re doing the destroying.
Is that what we want?
Let us all take care. Let us all keep clean, wash our hands, protect ourselves.Let’s not crowd each other or push or shove or fill our cupboards with goods we won’t need on a ‘just in case’ basis. But closing down the village shop, the local playgroup, the church, the cafe around the corner without thinking of what they might mean to ordinary everyday people who have to stay sane throughout this
curfew we are under could be a mistake. There is an old fashioned expression, ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water’. Is that what we’re doing?

Sir,

Have been following the debate around lockdown, masks and other silly ‘mitigations’.

My thinking goes like this:

Bojo is a clown, he has no credibility as someone who can make responsible choices. The media, led by social media whip up people in to a hysteria about this mysterious virus from China. Meanwhile Bojo tells people to wash hands whilst singing happy birthday, and looks to the world like an irresponsible fool. Government scientists with lamentable communication skills tell everyone that everything is OK. The people panic. The Govt are forced to do ‘something’ to show they are being responsible and are masters of the situation; hence Lockdown.

Only thing is, within days of lockdown coming in it is obvious from hospital admissions stats that the virus has already started to slow down and within a week or so it has plateaued completely.

{Lockdown announced evening of 23rd March, lockdown not implemented until the next day, 24th. On average – the health authorities were telling us – it takes 5 days for a person to develop symptoms. SAGE notes from the SGOD to Simon Dolan’s case mention average time from feeling unwell to hospital admission is 4 days. Hence the graph of hospital admin should have continued to show increases in admissions for a number of days, and the main effect from lockdown should not have been begun to be noticed in hospital admissions until the beginning of April, whereas in fact it had already plateaued by April 1st.}

This means, as a result of the emergence of herd immunity, the virus was already in decline some time before lockdown was imposed. I believe that this is something that SAGE are aware of but the problem was and is that Bojo has no credibility. So Bojo can’t just turn up on TV at the end of March and say, “actually lockdown was a waste of time everything is OK! Herd immunity achieved, jolly good off to work with you!” No one would believe him and Bojo would be voted out at the next election.

Therefore they had to create a way in which Bojo the clown could become PM Boris, the statesman. The solution was to pretend that he was deathly ill with Covid 19. BTW I know people who really did almost die from Covid 19. They spent months in hospital and are now at home needing months of rehab. Bojo may have been poorly sick but there is not the slightest chance that he almost died.

However the plan has failed. He made a bumbling fool of himself and at this point he still has no credibility and so he is almost always out of the public eye.

The mitigators, such as masks, social distancing, the Trace and Track stuff etc is a matter of making the disappearance of Covid 19 plausible without resorting to the truth: Herd Immunity did the trick. It did not require the imposition of laws which have to date caused the unnecessary deaths of more than 45,000 people in the UK.

If I am correct, of course, I could be wrong…the issue now is that what we basically have is the murder of tens of thousands of UK citizens, sacrificed so that Bojo and The Science will save face. Is this not an act of treason against the British Public? Shouldn’t those responsible stand trial for what they have done?

Regards,

Marc

Hi again.
How to explain the logistics of targeted quarantining as a solution to those who still believe total lock down was the only way :
eg. I can see how this could be achieved in aged care homes, or even eldery folks living in their own homes.
But what about those with co-morbidities & the aged who live with people who aren’t at risk. When the not at risk move around freely they could get infected & then transmit to those with co morbidities living in the house etc.
I get this line of questioning from pro lockdowners. Would love to explain a better solution to total lockdown. But I can’t explain how to successfully protect at risk people living at home with others who could spread to them.

The software used to predicted high levels is criticed for being full of bugs and not tested and the lock down was based on its inaccurate prediction. OK this may be true but that would also imply that other countries had poor prediction software, so did Germany, France Spain and most other countries have poor software? Maybe the predictions where not the best but overall gave a good indication of what may happen; the same as other countries.
The graph showing that countries with lockdown had more case is misleading in itself. Sweden, no lockdown has had similar cases to to those that did. Other countries that would not give true values of case, Russia and China should not be included. South Korea, Tiawan and Vietname had excellent track and trace due to there experience of SARS. Iceland is a very small island country where social distancing would be mush easier to work and no high level of urban living which clearly happen in countries like the UK, Spain, France etc.
Finally, the increase of 50,000 or so death over the average is made to be not siginificant. (Only 500,000 people die a year in the UK so only a 10% increase) There as two type of people, those that are selfish (it won’t happen to me) and those that care about humanitiy and every death is important to someone. We dont want our nanny to die becuase we love them. Or do we and only interested in our inheritance!!

Very entertaining to cheer you up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPbJ0-DxTc

Went out today and what a depressing experience.

British bulldog spirit? Perfidious Albion?

No, just a lot of scared, cowed, unthinking sheeple who are that scared of death they have given up on living. No questioning of Government, no independent research into things, ye gods it was depressing.

Ours is now such a risk-adverse, over-sissified HSE driven, dumbed down society this could happen very easily in a matter of weeks and that is what scares me most: how easily the world economy was destroyed, how millions of people in China “disappeared” without explanation and which has been documented in the UK and the USA on a lesser scale, how hundreds of millions of people will be in permanent poverty, untold dead from starvation, murder, self-isolation mental problems etc to supposedly give a few thousand already seriously ill people an extra few months of life.

Only 1 person spoke to me and that was when we had a laugh about a shop displaying a “cash only” sign as their card machine was broken. Very few going in, we agreed it was because they believed touching cash would cause the flesh to melt off their hands. He agreed it was all a crock as well so only ones with any balls are unbelievers.

The mini-hitlers in hi-vis bossing people around outside garden centres and pet shops we went to soon when quiet when I explained to them there was no scientific or legal reason to adhere to and follow the 2m social distancing so why were they doing it? Orders was the answer. The Nuremberg Principle says this is not a valid defence. They looked sheepish and let me in with lots of aghast looks by others in the queue.

But while waiting outside a shop as I had no interest in going into super drug with the wife I realised why the government push self-isolation and not official isolation.

If you self-isolate it is voluntary, no-one forced you or made you do it.

To enforce isolation as by the Public Health (Control of disease) Act 1984 and the Statutory Instrument Coronavirus Act (which it isn’t) 2020 they have to:

– get a doctor to think you as an individual may be infected with either “coronavirus disease” which means COVID-19 or “coronavirus” means severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) as is stated in the above S.I.
– they then have to perform a test to confirm it but as is known there is no reliable test for these “illnesses” that can be performed to say without a doubt you are infected
– then they have to get a proper person of the local authority to issue a notice saying you are infected
– a Justice of the peace then has to sign the notice
– the notice then has to be served on you as an individual
– they then must take you to a hospital or other place until you get better
– if you miss work etc then the local authority must compensate you

Much, much easier to get you to self-isolate isn’t it?

In the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 it states in Section 20:

Stopping of work to prevent spread of disease

(1)With a view to preventing the spread of—
(a)a notifiable disease, or
(b)a disease to which subsection (1) of section 23 of the [1955 c. 16 (4 & 5 Eliz. 2).] Food and Drugs Act 1955 applies,the proper officer of the local authority for any district may by notice in writing request any person to discontinue Ms work.
(2)The local authority shall compensate a person who has suffered any loss in complying with a request under this section, and section 57(2), (3) and (4) below shall apply to any dispute arising under this subsection.

Let’s all put an invoice in to our local authority.

Or has anyone received notification in writing from the proper officer to discontinue work?

Or as the order was issued by central government and not the proper officer of the local authority does this mean it is invalid? It certainly explains why we keep getting “guidance” and not edicts as “guidance is advice only and does not have to be followed.

This is the letter I sent to my MP, not as professional as yours and I was asking about the discrepancies in how the legislation wa introduced:

Sir,

As you are my constituency MP I thought I would write to you with my concerns about the current situation and how it was implemented and forced on the population of England and I would like to see more challenges to the Government in the Houses of Parliament as what I observed this week was quite frankly embarrassing watching the fawning that was displayed and the complete and total lack of challenging and questioning of the people who are responsible for imprisoning us in our homes.

From what I can tell it is all very strange or I have all my dates wrong.

What it says in the coronavirus Statutory Instrument which came into force on or about the 26th March 2020 is:

Serious and imminent threat declaration
3.—(1) These Regulations apply where the Secretary of State declares, by notice published on http://www.gov.uk, that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health, and that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus is at such a point that the measures outlined in these Regulations may reasonably be considered as an effective means of preventing the further, significant transmission of Coronavirus (“serious and imminent threat declaration”).
(2) The Secretary of State may revoke a serious and imminent threat declaration by way of a subsequent notice published on http://www.gov.uk.
(3) Before making a declaration under paragraph (1), or revoking a declaration under paragraph (2), the Secretary of State must have due regard to any advice from the Chief Medical Officer or one of the Deputy Chief Medical Officers of the Department of Health and Social Care.

The statement relating to the above was issued and posted on the gov.uk website but without fanfare or any notification given on 10th Feb 2020 and amended 25th Feb 2020 which is about 6 weeks prior to the quick draft emergency legislation being read in Parliament.:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-makes-new-regulations-on-coronavirus

Then surely the announcement about downgrading of Covid-19 on March 19th 2020 which says it is no longer a high consequence infectious disease which makes the Coronavirus Statutory Instrument unnecessary and therefore null and void illegal as it is no longer “serious and imminent threat” :

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

The forced imprisonment of the nation started on the 23rd March 2020 – prior to the commencement of the Statutory Instrument supposedly giving the Government the powers to lock us all up.

Why this order of things?
Why put the announcement on an obscure page of gov.uk without any fanfare etc and with nothing on the MSM sites?
Where is the guidance from Whitty, Vallance et al as referred to in the S.I.? At this time everyone in Government was saying it was all OK, no problems.

The only thing that makes sense is it was all written planned and prepared in advance, scientists/medics who make the HCID decision (politicians were not involved in this decision making apparently) were telling us something that they will not say out loud but due to the lowering of education standards to the lowest common denominator no-one noticed that it was all done in the incorrect order.

To me it should have been:

– declare the disease high consequence
– introduce legislation
– issue the imminent threat notice
– introduce the population imprisonment
– downgrade the disease
– lift any restrictions

What we have here is:

– issue declaration of imminent threat
– downgrade the disease
– introduce the population imprisonment
– introduce legislation

Isn’t this the wrong order of implementing legislation legally?

Add in that as time goes on and more and more information and evidence is gathered that the Government’s various responses to this “unprecedented time”, which are compromised by monetary links leading back to Bill Gates, copies almost exactly what Bill Gates has previously stated he wants done, maximises the amount of people infected and deaths not reduces them not protects the general population, that death numbers from Covid-19 are being manipulated upwards by various means is it me or something wrong with this and why is no-one in the main stream media nor in Parliament challenging this?

Yours Sincerely

This is my question to gov.uk/ask today:

Can you please explain why your actions took place in this order and dates as they make no logical sense and is either stupidity, incompetence, illegal or deliberate:

– issue declaration of imminent threat 10 Feb 2020
– downgrade the disease 19 March 2020
– introduce the population imprisonment 23 March 2020
– introduce legislation 26 March 2020

This is all pre planned, mis leading innocent people, killing the whistle blowers, the frontline workers are acting like zombies because they are asked to follow the guidelines. Pathetic killers

This is interesting, a link to MINDSPACE, the system that Government use to change the public’s opinions by nudging things along psychologically:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/mindspace

Seems innocent enough until you read what is meant, not what is said like the UN Agenda 21/2030/New Green Deal documents or Bill gate’s explanations of enforced vaccinations. Flowery innocent language on top, read what it means and not what it says and completely different and more insidious.